Casualty - Song Discussion

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    Elaine

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    I think the thing i appreciate about this song is that it does something that a lot of THP failed to do, which was turn a riff into something akin to a melodic hook. THP was a sort of aimless heaviness. If THP got closer to *this* sound, I'd like that album a lot more.
     
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    Right now, the 1-2 combo Casualty-Overflow may be one of my favorite segue in their entire discography, among the likes of APFMH-Forgotten or WFTE-Blackout.

    An album at that level from beginning to end would be credible contender to beat HT and ATS for me.
     
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    This is easily their heaviest song imo. Even Mike's doing hardcore vocals. Love it.
     
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    Rebellion had alot of melody, and is one of the heavier songs on the album
     
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    Aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh
     
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    My thoughts exactly
     
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    My bud and I think that the lyrics here are fantastic, and he doesn’t even like Casualty.

    “Put through the paces but I got left behind”

    Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhh.
     
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    Super heavy, super catchy. The back and forth "but I'm not running, cause something's coming" is gold. And Em almost choking on the pre bridge, and the heavy bridge itself.

    Short, hard, badass gold.

    Also, this:
     
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    I'm glad you agree
     
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    I first heard the new album on Christmas and this is my favorite. Never thought I would hear Mike sing intense like that.
     
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    This one and "Overflow" have been my primary reasons for returning to this album. "Casualty" in particular gets in my head in a way the rest of the album doesn't with that riffage and Mike's delivery.

    I also just love how despite it tending toward the more hardcore-influenced sound of THP, it integrates some classic LP ideas with some transitional drum breaks and turntable scratches/cuts. If this was the vibe of all of THP it would have been a 10/10 for me.
     
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    This is it. Spot-on description.

    There is something special here about Mike delivery, the groove of the drums, the tone of the bass, the riff in the chorus, the small drum breaks transitions, and how everything connects together. And of course, Emily monstrous performance on top of it.

    Somehow, this track feels authentic in a way not many heavy LP tracks have hit me. And again, the combo with Overflow is absolutely perfect!
     
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    Casualty - 111(-1)
     
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    What makes Casualty better than THP is that the mixing and production is actually really good and it doesn't sound like someone recorded a radio with their old Nokia phone
     
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    It's more gritty and raw without sounding just bad. The album has grown on me recently, but it's hard to get past some of the production issues. Casualty is what THP should have sounded like.
     
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    I love Casualty but Id say there's at least 4-5 songs on THP that are better
     
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    I'm only talking about the mixing and production, in that aspect there's nothing on THP that sounds better.
     
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    The run from this song to "Overflow" and then into "Two Faced" (maybe extending through "Stained" and "IGYEIH" even, need more time to sit on it) is still my favorite part of the album. Was thinking today listening to it how mindblown we were watching the Dallas livestream after all that time they spent hyping this song. :lol:

    I love how it mixes some fresh new elements for the band with some dashes of Hybrid Theory-era conventions and some instrumentation right out of The Hunting Party's playbook. Feels like a really organic—yet still unexpected—progression.
     
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    Yup, I share a similar feeling.

    Up until Over Each Other included, I think the album is pretty good and solid. Good, fun, memorable bangers.

    From Casualty onward though, I think it takes it up a notch further, transitioning from pretty good to consistently great territory. Casualty-Overflow remains my definitive highlight, but Two Faced - Stained - IGYEIH - Good Things Go is a hell of a good follow-up to it.
     
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    We are so aligned on this. I feel nearly the exact same way.

    With the obvious exception of "Two Faced," to me it feels like the album from "Casualty" onward is branching into new territory, while the front half is a little more familiar stuff overall. I think the end of "Over Each Other" is the first time we get an interstitial transition too, right? It's like the first four tracks are like, "Hello, yes, Linkin Park is back!" and then with "Casualty," it's "Here's the new stuff we're doing with Emily and Colin on board!" I feel like this song is the perfect one to make that switch too, personally. It's in your face, fully contrasting with the previous track, balls to the wall.
     
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