God creates fate because your parents told you so? Someone has to win the lottery. Someone has to draw the longest stick. It's just the way it goes. God isn't sitting on a cloud going "Hmmm, I think Tommy deserves to be it in tag today. This is really going to impact his life 30 years from now."
no, actually. i believe in that. my parents dont believe in fate. i have my own opinion and mind on things, you know. even though you might not believe me, people who believe in god actually make up their own minds. but of course you wouldnt understand that. f*cking hell. that really pissed me off.
They don't make up their minds. They are given a few set of religions and they pick from them. How do I know this? Because the TV and the people around you tell you what they want you to believe in. If you lived in Iraq, your religion would be totally different. You can't say what you want, but that's just the way it is. I know very few people who actually took the time to look at every religion in this world before they jumped on the bandwagon. Fact is, if everyone worshiped purple turtles instead of the god you believe in, you would to. There's a shitload of religions out there and to think that the one that is most popular in your area is the right one is... I just don't understand it.
It's hard to believe that boyond Earth, there is infinite space. But I am a firm believer in God. And don't think God or any other "force" is controlling us. We are here and that is it. This topic reminds me of that show, Sliders. They traveled to parallel universes. Yeah.... that was a good show. B)
i dont mean it in a way that god does all the work. i see it as though god controls it, but he doesnt make it himself. i mean, fate is just fate. god doesnt make it. he can only change it. [/b][/quote] so then how exactly did fate come to be? is it like a being, a bunch of smoke, invisible-ness? if fate can decide everything of every millisecond for eternity, youd think it has a mind. if it had a mind, god must have created it, but if god had created it then that would be "fate". it was meant to be created.. but then your saying god doesnt do the whole fate thing. so its llike 2 different gods. it would actually make more sense if you said god controls fate instead of "fate" having a completely different mind. besides, i think god doesnt exist. fate doesnt exist, only chance and probibility. i agree with j money.
I believe you live, you work, hopefully you reproduce, and then you die. That's how life's been from the beginning. You live, you work, you reproduce, you die. You live your life, you learn, you work, and sometimes you create something that evolves us to a new level and then you die. It's the continous cycle in evolution and it's been the same cycle we as humans have followed for thousands of years, even before technology. Was it fate the early homosapiens discovered sharp rocks could crack open clams, or that it could be used in what we now call an ax-like form? Was is really fate when the computer was created? Was is fate child pornography was made? Was it even fate to those who got caught in acts like so? Why are there pedophiles (sp?)? If fate is so, why does it bring such depressing outcomes? YOUR FATE IS THAT YOU WILL DIE. I say that to you. Am I now your God? YOU WILL EVENTUALLY DIE, I HAVE THAT PLANNED FOR YOU. Now am I your God? I'm not making you die, but you will eventually die, and I just said you're going to die, so does that mean I've lead you on the path of death? So that means I'm your God.. right? Well, I can't say I don't think God chose my path. Why? I am my own God. I choose what I want to do, and if I want it bad enough, the only thing that'll stop me is death. I've analyzed religions so much, and there's only one religion I believe in.. And I've dubbed it Keatonism . Yes, I really do call it that. Maybe not so much to parody off of these "real" religions, but at least what I believe in keeps you down to earth, but that's just my view on life. I do ask, though, if fate is what we're all going towards, and something or someone is there, moving us along as if we're moving on a game board, why is it majority who get the "short ends" are the good, innocent, or just the best of the world? God wanted to take them away from the pain, yet cause more pain? There was a boy who commited suicide this year in my school, and he was one of the best people in that school. I think others should have been in his place. A believer in God, and a good friend, and he died; for what? Fate? He was destined to die because of his grades? Yeah, he killed himself because he couldn't face the abuse from his parents and you're going to tell me that was his fate?! A perfectly good person, who had all the world in front of him was destined to die at 15. That's greeeaaaattt... really. And if it was his own mind to kill himself, you think he was in the right state of mind? Was he thinking "Okay, well, I'm going to kill myself now and leave those who love me behind. Why? Because I choose to." Hell no, you best not tell me that because this boy had it all, a great life, great friends, but his only troubles were his family. I don't get it, really, and it really annoys the hell out of me for someone to tell me my life was a plan before I was even born because it seems pretty damn unfair to me to not be able to be my own person, but by the book or hand of a guy who thinks he's better than everyone and can choose what we all do. I hate the fact people place blame on people like me for deaths, and telling me crap like I should have been the one to go and God is showing me pity. I'm sorry, but it's really a piss off to me when I hear "God is just showing pity for you athiest a-holes. I sure as hell don't wanna' be little Jimmy who loses his head in a "freak accident" that was destined to happen. I swear, sometimes I blame war for religion. If it weren't for crap like hydrogen bomb scares, do you think they would have increased faith in religion as their security blankets as they did with the whole "hide under your desk" bullshit? I look at religion in the same light I do with the already proclaimed safety blanket about the "hide under the table" crap. Excuse such a negative post, but "fate" has dealt me the hand of shame, and I shame the name of "fate."
This simple reasoning of religion, Will, and why I don't believe it's "bullshit." For every chain of effects there MUST be a cause. For every effect in time (life, everything that is, everything there was, and everything there will be) it had to have some sort of moving, willful cause to set it into motion. The chances of a random moving cause is astronomical, if any. Think about it, how could everything be created from nothing? It couldn't have been. Therefore, there must have been some perfect, moving, willful cause already in place that is beyond time. If there wasn't, nothing could become of the nothing that already existed. This eternal thing is what Christians call God. And willfully, he has created everything and set it into motion, not interfering with it, but rather letting it run it's course. That is my belief of the truth.
Religion was created by people. Just like Greek mythology was people. There's no backbone for it. Period.
My belief is that there's no way some guy is sitting on top of a cloud watching our every movement, claiming that he loves us and then letting us suffer... It has been scientifically proven how the universe was made... And I don't think it had anything to do with a guy, who's supposedly been there forever, who got bored one day and thought, 'I know, lets make something...'
My belief is that there's no way some guy is sitting on top of a cloud watching our every movement, claiming that he loves us and then letting us suffer... It has been scientifically proven how the universe was made... And I don't think it had anything to do with a guy, who's supposedly been there forever, who got bored one day and thought, 'I know, lets make something...' [/b][/quote] Wrong, it's scientifically THEORIZED how the universe was made. No one really knows, but what you personally believe becomes your own truth. My own truth is creation, yours isn't.
Well think about it. What seems more logical? Everything coming together after millions of years due to gravity and fusion of atoms and a giant explosion that sends all of these things into its place, or some guy who randomly appeared out of nowhere just threw together an infinite place. Think about it.
...yeah... youre either right, or you sound right. what you said made sense. but hey, isnt religion all about believing and not knowing? im like defending it... it feels weird since i dont believe in church.
Here is one thing I was thinking about: If "God" created everything, why didn't the Greeks or the Romans believe in this one, single "God"? They believed in multiple gods. Why is it that people didn't start believing in a singular God until AFTER Christianity swept over everything? You would think that the Greeks and/or Romans would've believed in one God, too. But they didn't. Why is that? Because they made up their gods just like Christians and all other religious made up their singular God. It's all just one big story. Sometimes I think the Bible would be better if it was written by Dr. Seuss. Or Tom Clancy. Or Stephen King.
I'm pressed for time, so I'll just say this before I have to leave. Read any work of Saint Thomas Aquinas. He proves that religion is logical.
Logical, even though it is all made up? If religion is supposed to be the way things really are, then why has it not existed since the beginning of time? Religion has not been around all that long (I am not sure when exactly it started, but it was at least two thousand four years ago). Why did it take so long for religion to "exist"?