Guys, let's be honest. Meteora was really good, and really terrible at the same time. The lyrics were laughable, the structure was the same old formula, and they still rap/rocked nearly everything. I think LP did make an advancement with their musical creativity, though. Well, besides their crappy power riffs. They were using a lot of synth and electronic sounds. They started using some piano in Numb. They also used that weird ass instrument in Nobody's Listening. Breaking The Habit was made almost entirely from synth. And hey, the songs were still equally as catchy as Hybrid Theory's. The only thing Hybrid Theory did better than Meteora was in the lyrical department, but barely. And regarding MTM, while some people might not have liked listening to it as much, it was better written and delved further into their creative minds. And, despite how much crap they still get for it, I think it's a pretty damn solid record. More solid than their previous efforts. And like I've already said earlier in this thread, A Thousand Suns blows everything else out of the water. It's not even debatable. Well, it is, just not in a logical debate. If you don't like listening to the songs, you should at least be able to tell how much better the songs are. Different structures, many different vocal styles, and a vastly improved instrumentation display. Oh, and they actually made a concept album. They didn't just lump random songs together. It's ok to dislike the album, but when people bash it for totally illogical and untrue reasons, then it starts to bug me. I've loved bands that improved upon themselves to a point where I don't like listening to them anymore. But I at least admit to myself that they've become better crafted at their profession. I suggest that people who hate A Thousand Suns to take a closer look at what they've actually created. If you can't see why it's musically better than their past work, you maybe need a few more years of music listening under your belt. I didn't know there was music beyond power riffs and Verse/Chorus/V/C/Bridge/C when I was under 18, either.