Barack Obama

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  1. travz21

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    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/09/30/awlaki/index.html

    US citizens are fair game. No evidence, no trials, no civil liberties whatsoever. If you're on the list, it's game over. Here's to hoping you don't get assassinated before Obama's term is up. And even then, do you want someone like Perry, Romney, or Bachmann controlling such power? Be careful what you say on the internet. The government is watching. It's not unlikely that one day our government will kill people who oppose it who are seen as "threats". This path leads down a slippery slope, one that the government never passes up in its power hungry journey.
     
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    Fuck da guvment

    Oh hey there's an unmarked van outside maybe it's the a-team oh god n
     
  3. Jayhov

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    Because true Capitalism totally worked in the early 20th century, trav....
     
  4. travz21

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    We've never had capitalism. Do some reading. And that doesn't have anything to do with what I just posted lol.
     
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    We've never had true capitalism because we've never had a flawless system and capitalism is the only flawless system and blah blah no true Scotsman blah blah.
     
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    Since people can't seem to get their mind off economic discussion, I'll post a segment of a conversation I was having with a friend over Facebook today. We were getting a chuckle out of people who think the government prevents monopolies and is our safeguard from capitalism, when in reality it's the exact opposite.

    "The state should break up the monopolies, say some. But the state IS a monopoly. When the state nationalizes/socializes the train industry (AMTRAK), the food certification industry (FDA), bank notes (Federal Reserve), or airport security system (TSA), just to name a few of many, it is eradicating the competition/market between various local gov'ts and/or private enterprises and replacing it with a monopoly. The solution is to break up the monopoly through nullification, secession, and privatization. Of course, most people who consider themselves "anti-monopoly" are disgusted by the idea of nullification, secession, and privatizaiton."
     
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    Y'know I think Obama's re-election would be a great idea. You know that thing where there's a two-term limit and how presidents in their first term enact or don't enact policies because they're worried about being re-elected? Yeah, what happens when a president doesn't have to worry about that anymore? :cool:
     
  8. Dean

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    SOCIALISM
     
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    AW YES FINALLY :headbang::headbang::headbang:
     
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    It's gonna be a Communist Party tonight!

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    Broseph Stalin
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    :lol:
     
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    If reelecting Obama is what it takes to prove to the future of humanity that Keynesianism, socialism, corporatism, welfarism, and trying to sustain an empire only destroys nations, I'd be willing to take a bullet for the rest of the human race. Even though there's enough history out there to already prove this, there needs to be an exclamation point.
     
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    Considering he's the only environmentalist in a gang of industrial goons, I'm still voting for him.
     
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    Semantics, but afaik Obama isn't left wing enough to be a socialist. And if he's geared more towards taxing and regulating corporations he's not that much of a corporatist either.
     
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    Right, because wars are so environmental friendly. Look up Solyndra. If Obama really is somehow an environmentalist, he should be concerned with his "green" companies he keeps bailing out.

    A lot of huge corporations get enormous tax cuts. Some even owe a negative amount of taxes. I don't know how multi-billion dollar companies owe less than $0 in taxes while the middle class and small businessman have a hard time making it. The government is stifling growth and widening the gap between middle and upper class, while the poor just keep getting poorer.
     
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    Y'know the reason Solyndra failed was because of the unwise business practices engaged by its owners, not because of anything inherent in green business.

    And because I suppose it bears repeating: whose wars again? Oh yeah, Bush's.
     
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    A business that intelligent people knew was going to fail before it even received subsidies. The point is that the government is funding green energy instead of letting the market fend for itself. This is stealing from the tax payers. If green energy is meant to be, the consumer will make it happen. Otherwise it will just keep going bankrupt again and again.

    So since Bush started them, they will just go on forever and ever? You're saying the president doesn't have the power to bring everyone home? Obama just continued everything that Bush started. The wars (even added new ones), the tax cuts, the Patriot Act, the bailouts, etc. They are the same person.
     
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    In California right now, you can recharge your electric car at a price whose oil equivalent is 75 cents a gallon. Where in the country can you get oil at less than $3? The consumer is making it happen, but it would be a helluva lot easier if oil lobbies and the like didn't have such disproportionate influence on government intervention in the market. Regulations these days make it so much easier on the wealthy and powerful industries such as banking and oil, and that, not the competitiveness of solar or wind power, is what makes it difficult for clean energy to break through. But hey, don't listen to me, Solyndra just went bankrupt. It's not like there are hundreds of solar power companies across the globe right now that are booming, like in Germany and China.

    I won't bother trying to convince you because you've made up your mind long since, but ever heard of something called the Party of No?
     

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