i actually thought that the self-titled was a good album. it had a diff sound that most metal/rock bands, and the voice was like no other. my personal fav would be i let go[first song i heard by them from a V/A dvd] i didnt really think they would ever be big, and the "Victim" video seemed like something to be put in SAW.. im gonna miss this band, but i guess they are doing what they feel is right.