In the last few days i got into a discussion with other people, who was at the festival Rock im Sektor. Most of them wasnt there for LP, but they had other great acts. Here is the problem. The other bands were more punk, so there was more action in the pit. Now i heared and read, that some LP fans cant get mosh pits or crowd surfers, sadly i also saw one who always pushed the crowd surfers away instead to help them to rach the security (a man who was atleast 2 m big and his weight was 150kg). In the facebook group this people discussed about "all this agressive and drunk idiots, who meant to do mosh-pits and crowd-surfing". I mean this is normal, but i heared many of the LP fans ( a lot of the LPU too) had a problem with such standard concert things. This make me think about the fact, if the LP crowd isnt as good as i thought? Last year in Oberhausen, that was a 90 minute smartphone show. This people destroy the whole atmosphere in my opinion. What do you think about such "fans", who cant even stand a little pit or to help crowd-surfers. I think thats, really, really sad for the fanbase.