Michael Jackson: Guilty or Innocent Media Target?

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    Casual D

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    Well as many of you know from the news, Michael Jackson's trial for child molestation began on Monday. As it stands, if found guilty of all 10 counts, Michael Jackson could spend 20+ years (or the rest of his life) in prison.

    Having a large portion of Michael's music on cassette (from being a fan when I was younger), I am torn on whether to believe he actually committed the crime, or whether this is just a sick ploy for money from Michael, seeing how Forbes estimated his fortune at 350+ Million (despite rumours he was bankrupt).

    Michael Jackson's defense claims that the mother of the formely diseased accuser had a long history of asking for money from celebrities (such as Jay Leno and George Lopez), and even once referred to Michael Jackson as "daddy" in front of the children during one stay at Neverland.

    But at the same time the prosecutors claim that Michael Jackson went on a tour of porn sites in front of the children, and admistrated wine to the teen to lower his ability to control himself.

    So my question is, do you think this is a sick story by a money hungry mother, out for Michael Jackson's millions, or that Michael Jackson is actually a threat to society and children?

    Personally I'm on the ropes right now and will need to watch the following of the case on E! (since they go by actual court transcripts) to really get my opinion on the case.
     
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    Haha, I love the way you said George Lopez, like he was a celebrity. :p

    Anyways, I think Michael Jackson is innocent. Sure, he might be mentally unstable, but I think he loves children to much to sexually abuse a child like alot of people claim he has done/did.

    I also think the reason he has a playground/park in his backyard, and loves children is because of the extensive sexual and physical abuse that his father, Joe Jackson, administered to him during his days as a child and teen.

    So, yeah, I believe he's innocent, and unless some hard, hard evidence supports the fact that he's guilty, nothing can change my stance.
     
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    I'm all about "innocent before proven guilty", but after reading this, I can't see how a 12 year old can fabricate a story like that.

    It's just too coincidental in my mind. This is the second public allegation someone has made, who knows how many other private allegations (which were quickly dealt with by money) there are. Michael certainly doesn't make himself look great by the way he acts. He's a very emotionally unstable and disturbed person, from how he portrays himself in the media.
     
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    Yes but I'm not completely buying that because the mom could've told the kid what to say. Yes it's too graphic for a 12 year old, but not an adult.

    And according to the defense, she made up a molestation charge with a cop a few years back. This isnt the first time she's done this.
     
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    Yes but I'm not completely buying that because the mom could've told the kid what to say. Yes it's too graphic for a 12 year old, but not an adult.

    And according to the defense, she made up a molestation charge with a cop a few years back. This isnt the first time she's done this. [/b][/quote]
    When the defense has little to go on, the first thing they always do is try to destroy the credibility of the witness. I'd wait to see evidence of this previous event before acknowledging that as fact.
     
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    Guilty.


    Keep in mind, that this is the second boy to accuse him of molestation. This is also the same man who said on TV that there's nothing wrong with little boys sleeping in the same bed as him.
     
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    I'm really in the middle about this. It's sick to think that anyone could do that to a kid, but at the same time, Michael's really strange...

    If this all turns out to be a hoax and he's just the victim of the media, the mother and the police, I have no symmpathy for him. He just makes himself over and over again such an easy target. If he just stoppped and thought about his actions instead of dangling his baby over a balcony or allowing young children follow him around, than maybe I could feel for him.
     
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    True but the defense said that Michael felt really weird about the kid and started backing away after the mother said "lets pray with daddy Michael".

    So if this is true, Michael does have a conscience. And if he's innocent, he needs to back the fuck away from kids.

    But yes, the previous molestation case does play heavily on my mind.
     
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    I think it's both the media and Michael at the same time. I think he's molested a child in some way but the media stretched the truth a little to make it sound worse than it really was to make it seem more interesting. Like the watching porn in front of chidren, and so forth. He seems kinda creepy if you ask me, what kind of guy makes a childrens theme park, and let's the children that go there spend the night with him and sleep in his bed? And what really boggles my mind is why in the hell are parents allowing their children do that in the first place, with all these news stories and everything? They want his money I'm sure. No parent's dumb enough to do that, not even me..

    Unless they're Michael Jackson phsycos.. You never know. ;)
     
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    Exactly, if the parents know of the previous accusations they shouldn't allow their kids to stay with Michael.

    I dont think he should've settled the '93 case. That looks VERY VERY bad on his part.
     
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    I dont think the media is really stretching it. Molesting a child is bad enough. Just that would be enough to make the media happy.


    I agree with Derek, settling the 93 case out of court and paying the kid to keep his mouth shut is pretty much an admission of guilt
     
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    I dont think the media is really stretching it. Molesting a child is bad enough. Just that would be enough to make the media happy.


    I agree with Derek, settling the 93 case out of court and paying the kid to keep his mouth shut is pretty much an admission of guilt [/b][/quote]
    My question is, fucked up childhood or not why couldn't he be normal and have a wife and kids?

    Guy has an amazing voice (I have his shit on tape), and was one of the best dancers in the industry and then he goes weird. I mean, Michael Jackson used to not be that bad looking of a person, and now he looks like a freak.

    I just wish someone could've stopped him somehow.
     
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    I want it to be a lie,I want Michael Jackson to be a free man after the trail but looking at some of the evidence for myself I'm very sceptical that thats gonna happen.They showed footage of Michaels private quarters of his house and in his actual room there are pictures of children all over the walls,there are child size dolls and there are several unmarked video tapes.

    The media has defenatly made more of a big deal than it is,sure a child molestation case is big but the media is just eating MJ alive,like they always have.

    As he's said in his songs before,leave him alone.
     
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    Micheal Jackson I believe is mentally ill. In his head, is a child and cannot function as a grown man. I dont think he has sexually abused any children in any physical way, but I do believe he is guilty of some form of sexual abuse. However, I think we should treat him like any person and keep the media out of it. Let him get through the trial and decide whether he is guilty or not. It is non of my business nor any one elses. Still, people should'nt rush to his defense just because he can sing well or because he is a "rich black man whom the white devil wants to tear down." Im an artist and Hitler was a great cityscape artist, that still doesnt give me any motivation to defend him of what he has done. Personally, I dont know why Micheal still has custody of his kids.
     
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    You just contradicted yourself there. you say he's not guilty of sexually abusing children, but then you say he's guilty of some form of sexual abuse. So which is it?
     
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    When you were as abused as Michael was, it reaks havoc on you psychology, and some times spirituality too.

    You can't go from being sexually and physically abused as a child and teenager, then just grow up and be normal. It doesn't work that way. If he was to get married (well, he did a number of times, but anyways), and have kids, chances are very high that he would have treated his kids like his dad did to him.
     
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    IMO, it's kind of hard to tell. I mean, Michael was abuse as a child, which, like you guys said, can really screw someone up. On the other hand, there are really, really greedy people in the world. I'm on the fence.
     
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    You just contradicted yourself there. you say he's not guilty of sexually abusing children, but then you say he's guilty of some form of sexual abuse. So which is it? [/b][/quote]
    You obviously havnt been in a proffesional work place :lol:

    people can be sexaully abused in ways other then just physical contact. Whether it is verbally, through body language, etc.
    If you are a male working for a big company, they will make you learn all this crap so that you wont get sued by a female coworker
     
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    You obviously havnt been in a proffesional work place :lol:

    people can be sexaully abused in ways other then just physical contact. Whether it is verbally, through body language, etc.
    If you are a male working for a big company, they will make you learn all this crap so that you wont get sued by a female coworker [/b][/quote]
    Fair enough, but sexual abuse is sexual abuse, and if he did that, whether or not it was physical, he needs to pay the price.


    I don't really agree with blaming his behavior on his childhood either. Not every child who is abused turns out to be fucked up (in fact, a lot try to turn their life around because they don't want to be like the way their parents were). Other than being unable to keep her shirt on on national, live TV, Janet's normal and I believe the rest of his siblings are normal. Michael is just a pedophile, and like all the other pedos in the world, I don't think there's any rhyme or reason for what they do, they're just like that. And if they seriously can't help their urge to touch little boys and girls, then they need to be locked up somewhere where the only person they'll be touching is themselves.
     

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