Let's talk. I'm going to start off by my opinion on Bush, Obama, the presidential candidates and why I hate all politicians. So, I feel that people hate Bush because of the Iraq war and 9/11. Let's talk about 9/11. If any of you are conspiracy theorists, I'm disappointed. Jet fuel burns at 1000 degrees celsius. thermal expansion coefficient of steel is ~12*10-6 if strain, E = ∂∆T E = 12*10-6 (1000) E = 0.0012m or the metal would expand about 12mm. That, paired with the fact that the plane hit the building, most likely bending the structure to begin with. There's really no logical way to explain how the tower would not fall down... And the Afghanistan war was certainly righteous, and I supported it. It definitely got our al Qaeda cells weakened and Taliban killed over the years, and it's worked efficiently. With a military that has units like CAG and DEVGRU, what's the reason not to go in? Unless you want another 9/11, of course. Iraq war: Going into Iraq was sort of a mistake. I would have gone into Iraq, but the way he planned it was outright horrible and his generals were really wrong about it. With the threats of WMDs that Saddam Hussein had, and the genocide he committed against his own people, it was also justifiable to move in. Before any of the "there were no WMDs found in Iraq" there actually were. The thing is, Bush was too ignorant to see that warning Iraq for 6 months that he'll move in was a mistake. Thank god Saddam was a wuss to America, because with those warnings, in 6 months he certainly could have launched a major attack on America. But, with those 6 months, he had so much time to put his WMDs in both Syria and Iran, and that's where all the news about those countries with nukes have today. And the torture? First of all, I'm pretty sure water boarding and loud music isn't torture. SQT for SEALs require water boarding, and it's not like it's traumatizing. But the fact that you people are bothered that terrorists are tortured kind of makes me cringe and I should remind you how fortunate you are to live in this country. You can call America corrupt, because it's so big and that's why it's really corrupt, in both the Bush and Clinton administrations, but the Obama administration certainly has the most corruption this country has seen. Overall, I think Bush was too leftist and wasn't really a bright guy, so I dislike him more than I do like him. Obama: Don't even get me started on him. I know some of you guys like to smoke weed on here, whatever it doesn't phase you and stuff. But smoking weed is a habit you want to break eventually. IQ points are taken off, and it makes you physically lazy after the high effect. Sure you can make the argument that it calms down PTSD and all that, but so does many other ways. The only thing marijuana is useful for is cancer, that's the only reason why it should be used, nothing else because nothing else good comes from weed. I've seen too many people destroyed by MJ. I don't feel the need to talk about Obamacare. If you're a selfish person, you'll like it. If you have a moral code and you work hard, you'll dislike Obamacare. I agree with welfare to an extent, but certainly never with how he's going so overboard with it! Everyone I know of that is on welfare is capable of working, they just really like being lazy so they can get more money for their drugs, and not worry about child support and all that. That's what pisses me off, man. Also, Obama is the reason ISIS is created. Pulling our forces out of Iraq is the reason they were created. Some of you can say it's cause we went into Iraq, but we went into Iraq for a justifiable reason. Bottom line: If we didn't pull out of Iraq, ISIS would not have been created. I honestly have nothing good to say about Obama. All the JSOC operational raids are leaked by him, and that's causing our country serious issues, especially with DEVGRU. But, in short I think all politicians are corrupt to an extent, and always have to bullshit their way through and I'm sick of it.